Contradictions in transgender theory part 1: social constructs and female bodies

Many transgender people like to remind everyone that body parts are not “inherently sexed” and that biological sex is just a social construct. The webcomic called “Assigned male” helpfully reminds us that this is so, by stating that penises and vulvas aren’t really boy’s parts or girl parts.

vulva and penis

We see the same sentiment expressed here:

female penis 1

“Sex isn’t defined by biological traits”, we are told.

female bodied 5

If there is really no such thing as biological sex, if there are just collections of random body parts, then why do trans people keep saying things like this:

female bodied1

Or this entire post about wanting to have “a female body”:

female bodied 2

“Feminine features”:

female bodied 3

“A body of the opposite sex”:

female bodied 4

Another person talking about a “female body”:

female bodied 6

What are these female bodies? What do they look like? What do they have in common? Trans people are welcome to chime in in the comments!

37 thoughts on “Contradictions in transgender theory part 1: social constructs and female bodies

    • “Creepy voyeurism” eh?

      And just what are you doing here?

      Obviously not trying to contribute or clear up any of the contradictions. No. Cause if you had anything to add that addressed the issues here (and made any sense), you would have spoke up. And if you dont care, again, why come here at all?

      Hmmm.

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  1. i was thinking just the same thing today, as some TG lunatic berated me over saying that having a penis was a sure sign of being male. Apparently that was consistent with the concept that a woman can be born in a man’s body…. which is it, bodies are genderless, or bodies are gendered? There is a huge confusion between gender role and physical gender, and they are two very different things.

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  2. Hi,

    On socialization it is certainly possible, though I wouldn’t like to guess on the likelihood of it.

    From the age of twelve I was treated as “one of the girls” by my social circle, there was no difference between how they treated any of the other females in the groups and the way they treated myself, even among the devout Muslims. So you could definitely say that I experienced heavy sustained socialization, at least socially.

    This definitely has had some quite profound effects on me, particularly with normalizing certain behaviours, for instance the first few times that a Muslim friends took of her headscarf around me whilst continuing to refuse to do so around males, it was very, very odd and uncomfortable to me, I used to ask her if she was sure she was allowed to do so and was fully comfortable with it, knowing how much it and her faith meant to get, (she wasn’t, at all, was completely baffled as to why I would even ask), but within a short space of time it became “normal”, just as all the other equally intimate things did, whether it was girls only conversations, or things concerning the human body.

    It continues today, despite the fact that I no longer describe myself as anything other than a human being, and it still feels completely normal to me because of the familiarity brought about by the last quarter of a.century plus.

    Now I wouldn’t say that this makes me FEEL like a woman, the truth is that I don’t know what being a man or a woman feels like, I only know what being “me” feels like, but at the same time, I wouldn’t be so dismissive of the effects of socialization and the familiarity which it can breed because it’s quite possible that others have the same experiences and when under the influence of the transgender cult, it’s easy to see how they could come to believe that they know how it feels to be either a man or a woman, depending on the way that they are inclined.

    Please understand I’m not advocating for or against either position, I just feel that there needs to be more research into this aspect before definitive conclusions are drawn and the possibility is dismissed.

    The above comes with the disclaimer that I am speaking only from the limited scope of my own experiences, I have done virtually no proper research into this phenomenon, (if indeed it is a thing), at all.

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    • “Now I wouldn’t say that this makes me FEEL like a woman, the truth is that I don’t know what being a man or a woman feels like, I only know what being “me” feels like.”

      You’re a man, so you know what being a man feels like. Your long-winded, narcissistic Jendur Jurney anecdote is boring, empty, and cliché. One might even call it “trans interesting.”

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      • “You’re a man, so you know what being a man feels like.”

        When it comes to things such as we are discussing one can know how it feels to be TREATED as something but not how it feels like to BE something. It’s a subtle but important difference.

        It is impossible to know what it feels like to be a social construct because by definition, they are things which have simply been made up.

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  3. “If there is really no such thing as biological sex, if there are just collections of random body parts, then why do trans people keep saying things like this:”

    Because trans people are not all the same?

    Those who acknowledge that they do have a male or female body, and feel unhappy with said body, are the saner kind, and the only ones I take seriously. If someone is ready to get their sex organs destroyed (which is what it really is) to feel better, then I believe they are suffering.

    The transgenders who just think wearing a skirt makes them a woman, I find ridiculous. I mean,if they want to wear skirts, that’s fine, but being a woman is not about that. Nor is it about make up or high heels. (I have a lot more sympathy for FTT, as the female gender role is shit, and if I could sucessfully pretend to be a man, I likely would, too. That’s just self-defense. Pretending to be a woman to get in women’s spaces is not.)

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    • -Because not all trans are the same

      Sure, but that’s not the point this post is making. If there is no ideological unity, even at a fundamental level, then anyone can justify any behavior or precondition and define it as “trans”, if it happens to suit their desires at the time. The adherents of trans-ideology have no right to tell them otherwise. That’s why we see gender-conforming men making videos about their woman-feels, and demanding unquestioned support from women for doing so. Or predators grooming children on reddit with the promise of drugs that will fix all their social and psychological problems, etc.

      The other problem it reveals is that there is NO SUCH THING as trans in any fundamental sense- it means whatever you want it to. I’ve no doubt that people with body dysphoria(related to anorexia) are suffering, but sympathy should not be an excuse to ignore reality. Trans is anti-reality.

      -If someone is ready to get their sex organs destroyed (which is what it really is) to feel better, then I believe they are suffering.

      Sometimes. People with anorexia suffer as well. Other times, the desire to destroy healthy sex organs is a sign of a sexual fetish. I believe that regardless of the origins of the desire, the desire itself cannot be considered healthy- and in which case, sympathy will not necessarily help them, if it leads you to accept their choices without question. ALL other options should be attempted first.

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  4. I’m a trans person who wants to debate.

    First of all let me say what I disagree with from the reddit commenters mentioned. A penis is never female, I would always describe it as masculine. Biological sex also very much exists. So I do have some disagreements with some of the transgender movement; some of them are overzealous.

    Now I’ll describe the female body they’re talking about. Most of the biological differences between a man and a woman are linked to hormones like testosterone and estrogen. Even if someone has XY chromosomes they can still be born female (with female genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, etc) by receiving certain mixtures of hormones in the womb. Read up on XY gonadal dysgenesis (skip to the Pathogenesis section)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis#Pathogenesis

    These people are women, these people are brought up as women, and chances are at least some of these women are radical feminists like everyone here. That is what hormones can do in the womb. When testosterone and estrogen are changed by medications outside the womb, they still have extremely powerful effects. The Voice [1], secondary sex characteristics (outside appearance)[2], muscle mass[3], body fat[4], body hair[5] and much much more we don’t understand change from masculine to feminine or feminine to masculine. There are even a lot of psychological changes such as in aggression[6].

    [1] (a trans man talks with his new voice) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU1GbFXoHKc

    [2][4] Look at all of these timelines that show the changes in appearance and body fat:

    (FtM)
    https://www.google.com/search?q=MtF+timeline&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI5qmOq4jmxwIVDn2ICh1-iAGa&biw=1024&bih=632#tbm=isch&q=FtM+timeline

    (MtF)
    https://www.google.com/search?q=MtF+timeline&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI5qmOq4jmxwIVDn2ICh1-iAGa&biw=1024&bih=632#

    [3] This trans man is able to compete at the highest level of his sport, the duathalon world championship, among men because of the muscle mass he gained from testosterone:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mosier

    More trans men with masculine muscle mass:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=trans+men&biw=1024&bih=632&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIjNCrr4nmxwIVw6OICh2kWwwU#tbm=isch&q=trans+men+muscle&imgrc=pfb5iZPGNDv6gM%3A

    [5] Here are some FtM beards:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=FtM+beard&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=632&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIyczSsIrmxwIVg5mICh2bXAwT

    [6] Use ctrl F “It has been suggested” or scroll to the “It has been suggested” paragraph:

    http://www.iiav.nl/ezines/web/ijt/97-03/numbers/symposion/ijtvo05no03_02.htm

    However this process cannot make someone 100% biologically male or female. Things like a uterus or testicles cannot be given to people who undergo this process. How I would describe their biological sex is “trans male” or “trans female”, not male or female however. A trans man is so fundamentally different biologically than a woman it wouldn’t make sense to call him a woman.

    That is the body the commenters are referencing.

    I would also love to debate anyone here on anything, just let me know and I will gladly debate the science of transgenderism.

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    • What, biologically, is the difference between a trans man and a woman who takes anabolic steroids (something that’s common in bodybuilding)? You claim that trans men are fundamentally biologically different from women; how does this affect women bodybuilders? Physically, Chris Mosier doesn’t look any different, to me, than any other serious female athlete who does a lot of weight training, even without steroids.

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      • Well steroids related to male sex hormones, so there will be many similarities. The difference between a trans man and a woman on steroids is that a trans man has reduced testosterone while a woman on steroids has what I would guess are normal levels of estrogen and high levels of testosterone, so there would still be feminine features in her body.

        http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/anabolic-steroid-abuse/what-are-anabolic-steroids

        Chris Mosier is different in that he can compete at the highest level of his sport against men, something female body builders and women on steroids haven’t done before as far as I know. He also has a masculine appearance.

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        • Men who take anabolic steroids often grow breasts because excess testosterone in their bodies is converted to estrogen. Does this never happen to trans men?

          Mosier is participating in a team event. It’s certainly difficult to place into one of the ten available slots, but it’s worlds away from “competing at the highest level of his sport against men”. Odds are, his time will be among the lowest, if not the lowest, on his team. There’s a trans man competing on Harvard’s swim team this year; he also will be one of the worst swimmers on the men’s team although he would have been one of the best on the women’s team. Hormones taken as an adult don’t seem to be able to undo puberty.

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    • The sexes having different amounts of the *same exact* hormones,doesn’t make them that different psychologically though!

      Below is a presentation by Eastern College Christian and Gender Scholar psychology professor Dr.Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen which talks about how much abundant consistent psychological research studies find few gender differences,and much more overlap similarities between them.

      Trinity 2007 Opposite Sexes or Neighboring Sexes? C.S. Lewis, Dorothy L. Sayers, andthe Psychology of Gender
      Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen

      Gender and Modern Social Science

      C. S. Lewis was no fan of the emerging social sciences. He saw practitioners of the social sciences mainly as lackeys of technologically-minded natural scientists, bent on reducing individual freedom and moral accountability to mere epiphenomena of natural processes (See Lewis 1943 and 1970 b). And not surprisingly (given his passion for gender-essentialist archetypes), aside from a qualified appreciation of some aspects of Freudian psychoanalysis (See Lewis 1952 (Book III, Chapter 4) and 1969). “Carl Jung was the only philosopher [sic] of the Viennese school for whose work [Lewis] had much respect” (Sayer 102).

      But the social sciences concerned with the psychology of gender have since shown that Sayers was right, and Lewis and Jung were wrong: women and men are not opposite sexes but neighboring sexes—and very close neighbors indeed. There are, it turns out, virtually no large, consistent sex differences in any psychological traits and behaviors, even when we consider the usual stereotypical suspects: that men are more aggressive, or just, or rational than women, and women are more empathic, verbal, or nurturing than men.

      When differences are found, they are always average—
      not absolute—differences. And in virtually all cases the small, average—and often decreasing—difference between the sexes is greatly exceeded by the amount of variability on that trait within members of each sex. Most of the “bell curves” for women and men (showing the distribution of a given psychological trait or behavior) overlap almost completely. So it is naïve at best (and deceptive at worst) to make even average—let alone absolute—pronouncements about essential archetypes in either sex when there is much more variability within than between the sexes on all the trait and behavior measures for which we have abundant data.

      This criticism applies as much to C. S. Lewis and Carl Jung as it does to their currently most visible descendent, John Gray, who continues to claim (with no systematic empirical warrant) that men are from Mars and women are from Venus (Gray 1992).

      http://thecresset.org/2007/VanLeeuwen_T2007.html

      Below is a presentation by Eastern College Christian and Gender Scholar psychology professor Dr.Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen which talks about how much abundant consistent psychological research studies find few gender differences,and much more overlap similarities between them.

      Trinity 2007
      Opposite Sexes or Neighboring Sexes?
      C.S. Lewis, Dorothy L. Sayers, and
      the Psychology of Gender
      Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen

      Gender and Modern Social Science

      C. S. Lewis was no fan of the emerging social sciences. He saw practitioners of the social sciences mainly as lackeys of technologically-minded natural scientists, bent on reducing individual freedom and moral accountability to mere epiphenomena of natural processes (See Lewis 1943 and 1970 b). And not surprisingly (given his passion for gender-essentialist archetypes), aside from a qualified appreciation of some aspects of Freudian psychoanalysis (See Lewis 1952 (Book III, Chapter 4) and 1969). “Carl Jung was the only philosopher [sic] of the Viennese school for whose work [Lewis] had much respect” (Sayer 102).

      But the social sciences concerned with the psychology of gender have since shown that Sayers was right, and Lewis and Jung were wrong: women and men are not opposite sexes but neighboring sexes—and very close neighbors indeed. There are, it turns out, virtually no large, consistent sex differences in any psychological traits and behaviors, even when we consider the usual stereotypical suspects: that men are more aggressive, or just, or rational than women, and women are more empathic, verbal, or nurturing than men.

      When differences are found, they are always average—
      not absolute—differences. And in virtually all cases the small, average—and often decreasing—difference between the sexes is greatly exceeded by the amount of variability on that trait within members of each sex. Most of the “bell curves” for women and men (showing the distribution of a given psychological trait or behavior) overlap almost completely. So it is naïve at best (and deceptive at worst) to make even average—let alone absolute—pronouncements about essential archetypes in either sex when there is much more variability within than between the sexes on all the trait and behavior measures for which we have abundant data.

      This criticism applies as much to C. S. Lewis and Carl Jung as it does to their currently most visible descendent, John Gray, who continues to claim (with no systematic empirical warrant) that men are from Mars and women are from Venus (Gray 1992).

      http://thecresset.org/2007/VanLeeuwen_T2007.html

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  5. Sword between the Sexes?, A: C. S. Lewis and the Gender Debates – Page 188 – Google Books Result
    books.google.com/books?isbn=1441212671

    Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen – 2010 – Religion

    C. S. Lewis and the Gender Debates Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen … indicates that women and men, boys and girls, are overwhelmingly more alike than different

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  6. I have an excellent book from 1979 written by 2 parent child development psychologists Dr. Wendy Schemp Matthews and award winning psychologist from Columbia University, Dr.Jeane Brooks-Gunn, called He & She How Children Develop Their Sex Role Identity.

    They thoroughly demonstrate with tons of great studies and experiments by parent child psychologists that girl and boy babies are actually born more alike than different with very few differences but they are still perceived and treated systematically very different from the moment of birth on by parents and other adult care givers. They go up to the teen years.

    They also show that surveys show that boys are overwhelmingly preferred over girls,(sadly nothing has changed and sexist woman-hating,girl-hating Tee shirts that say( I’m Too Pretty For Homework So I Let My Brother Do It For Me) (and other sexist anti-female ads,pornography,etc do too) like these both reflect and contribute to this injustice.They also explain that when people guess if a pregnant woman is having a girl or a boy,and they list a whole bunch of false unproven sexist, gender myth,gender stereotyped,old wives tales,that assign all negative characteristics to a woman if they think she’s having a girl,and the imagined girls or given all of the negative characteristics.

    For example they say that author Elana Belotti(1977) explained these examples, The man and woman each take hold of one end of a wishbone and pull it apart.If the longest part comes away in the man’s hand,the baby will be a boy. If you suddenly ask a pregnant woman what she has in her hand and she looks at her right hand first ,she will have a boy;if she looks at her left hand it will be a girl.If the mother’s belly is bigger on the right-hand side a boy will be born,and also if her right breast is bigger than her left,or if her right foot is more restless.

    If a woman is placid during pregnancy she will have a boy,but if she is bad-tempered or cries a lot,she will have a girl.If her complexion is rosy she’s going to have a son;if she is pale a daughter. If her looks improve,she’s expecting a boy;if they worsen,a girl.If the fetal heartbeat is fast,it is a boy;if it is slow it is a girl.If the fetus has started to move by the fortieth day it will be a boy and the birth will be easy,but if it doesn’t move until the ninetieth day it will be a girl.( Belotti 1977,pp.22-23)

    Dr.Brooks-Gunn and Wendy Schempp Matthews then say, now rate each of the characteristics above as positive or negative. A woman expecting a girl is pale,her looks deteriorate,she is cross and ill-tempered,and she gets the short end of the wishbone,all negative characteristics. They then say,furthermore ,a girl is symbolized by the left-the left hand,the left side of the belly,the left foot,the left breast. They say,left connotes evil,a bad omen,or sinister,again the girls have all of the negative characteristics.

    They then say,that sex-role stereotypes about activity also characterize Belotti’s recipes:boys are believed to be active from the very beginning and girls have slower heartbeats and begin to move around later.They then say,the message although contradictory(girls cause more trouble even though they are more passive) is clear in that it reflects the sex-role stereotype that boys “do” while girls “are” and the belief that boys are more desirable than girls.

    They also say that parents have gender stereotyped reasons for wanting a girl or a boy,obviously if they didn’t it wouldn’t matter if it’s a girl or boy.When my first cousin was pregnant with her first of two girls people even strangers said such false ridiculous things to her,that they were sure she was going to have a boy because she was carrying low or how stomach looked.

    I once spoke with Dr.Brooks-Gunn in 1994 and I asked her how she could explain all of these great studies that show that girl and boy babies are actually born more alike with few differences but are still perceived and treated so differently anyway, and she said that’s due to socialization and she said there is no question, that socialization plays a very big part.

    I know that many scientists know that the brain is plastic and can be shaped and changed by different life experiences and different environments too and Eastern College gender and Christian psychology professor Dr.Mary Stewart Van Leewuen told this to me too when I spoke to her 15 years ago. Dr.Van Leeuwen also said that human beings don’t have sex fixed in the brain and she told me that humans have a unique highly developed cerebral cortex that allows us to make choices in our behaviors and we can learn things that animals can’t.

    There was another case in Canada that I read about online some years ago about another case in which a normal genetic male baby’s penis was destroyed when he was an infant and in this case he was raised as a girl from the much younger age of only 7 months old,not as late as 21 months as was David Reimer,and research shows that the core gender identity is learned by as early as 18 months old.

    In this other case,it was reported in 1998 he was still living as a woman in his 20’s but a bisexual woman. With David Reimer they raised him as a girl too late after he learned most of his gender identity as a boy from the moment he was born and put into blue clothes, treated totally differently, given gender stereotyped toys, perceived and treated totally differently than girls are in every way(in the great book,He and She:How Children Develop Their Sex Role Identity it explains that a lot of research studies and tests by parent child psychologists found that they give 3 month old babies gender stereotyped toys long before they are able to develop these kinds of preferences or ask for these toys. They also found that when adults interacted with the same exact baby they didn’t know was a girl or boy who was dressed in gender neutral clothes,they decided if they *believed* it was a girl or boy.

    And those adults who thought the baby was a boy,always handed the baby a toy foot ball,but never a doll and were asked what made them think it was a girl or boy and they said they used characteristics of the baby to make the judgement . Those who thought the baby was a boy described characteristics such as strength,those who thought the baby was a girl described the baby as having softness and fragility,and as the Dr.Jeanne Brooks-Gunn and Wendy Schempp Mathews explain,Again remember that the same infant was being characterized as strong or soft,the actual distinction by sex characteristics being only in the minds of the adults.

    They also explain that in the toy preference studies,girl toddlers often show an initial interest in the trucks,but eventually abandon them for a more familiar type of toy. Also check out Kate Bornstein’s books,Gender Outlaw and My Gender Workbook,and recently a co-written book,Gender Outlaws. Kate used to be a heterosexual married man who fathered a daughter and then had a sex change and became a lesbian woman who now doesn’t indemnity as a man or a woman. I heard Kate interview in 1998 on a local NPR show and she totally debunks gender myths,and rejects the “feminine” and “masculine” categories as the mostly socially constructed categories that they really are.She even said,what does it mean to feel or think like a woman(or man) she said what does that really mean.

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  7. In these extensive studies by psychologist Dr. Janet Shibley Hyde and others that is still on the American Psychological Association’s web site since 2006 and that was published in American psychologist the journal of The American Psychological Association,Think Again:Men and women Share Cognitive Skills.

    It’s reported that Psychologists have gathered solid evidence that boys or girls or men and women differ in very few significant ways– differences that would matter in school or at work–in how,and how well they think.

    http://www.apa.org/research/action/share.aspx

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  8. Below is an email I wrote to Oxford University Gender communication professor Deborah Cameron author of the great important book,The Myth Of Mars and Venus Do Men and women Really Speak Different Languages?.

    Dear Deborah,

    I recently read your great important book, The Myth Of Mars & Venus. I read a bad review of the book, The Female Brain on Amazon.com US by psychologist David H.Perterzell he called it junk
    science.

    I also thought you would want to know that John Gray got his “Ph.D” from Columbia Pacific University which was closed down in March 2001 by the California Attorney General’s Office because he called it a diploma mill and a phony operation offering totally worthless degrees!

    Also there is a Christian gender and psychology scholar and author psychology professor Dr. Mary Stewart Van Leewuen who teaches the psychology and Philosophy of Gender at the Christian College Eastern College in Pa. She has several online presentations that were done at different colleges from 2005- the present debunking the Mars & Venus myth.

    One is called , Opposite Sexes Or Neighboring Sexes and sometimes adds, Beyond The Mars/Venus Rhetoric in which she explains that all of the large amount of research evidence from the social and behavorial sciences shows that the sexes are very close neighbors and that there are only small average differences between them many of which have gotten even smaller over the last several decades and in her great even longer article that isn’t online anymore called,What Do We Mean By “Male-Female Complentarity”? A Review Of Ronald W.Pierce,Rebecca M.Groothuis,and Gordon D.Fee,eds Discovering Biblical Equality:Complentarity Without Hierarchy, which she says happened after 1973 when gender roles were less rigid and that genetic differences can’t shrink like this and in such a short period of time, and that most large differences that are found are between individual people and that for almost every trait and behavior there is a large overlap between them and she said so it is naive at best and deceptive at worst to make claims about natural sex differences. etc.

    She says he claims Men are From Mars & Women are From Venus with no emperical warrant and that his claim gets virtually no support from the large amount of psychological and behavioral sciences and that in keeping in line with the Christian Ethic and with what a bumper sticker she saw said and evidence from the behavioral and social sciences is , Men Are From,Earth ,Women Are From Earth Get Used To It. Comedian George Carlin said this too.

    She also said that such dichotomous views of the sexes are apparently popular because people like simple answers to complex issues including relationships between men and women. She should have said especially relationships between them.She also said when I spoke wit her in 1998 and 1999 that human beings don’t have sex fixed in the brain,she said human beings adapt to their environments,and they develop certain characteristics in response to those environments but they are not fixed and unchangeable. Dr.Van Leeuwen also said that I’m correct that the human female and male brain is more alike than different and she said the brain is plastic and easily molded and shaped throughout life by different life experiences and environments.She said humans have a unique highly developed cerebal cortex which animals don’t and this enables people to learn things and make choices that animals can’t.

    Sociologist Dr.Michael Kimmel writes and talks about this also including in his Media Education Foundation educational video. And he explains that all of the evidence from the psychological and behavioral sciences indicates that women and men are far more alike than different. He also demonstrated with a lot of research studies and evidence from the behavioral and social sciences that the sexes are more alike than different in his very good 2000 book,The Gendered Society which he updated several times in more extensive academic volumes called,The Gendered Society Reader.

    Dr.Mary Stewart Van Leewuen says that there are no consistent large psychological sex differences found.

    I have an excellent book from 1979 written by 2 parent child development psychologists Dr. Wendy Schemp Matthews and award winning psychologist from Columbia University, Dr.Jeane Brooks-Gunn, called He & She How Children Develop Their Sex Role Idenity.

    They thoroughly demonstrate with tons of great studies and experiments by parent child psychologists that girl and boy babies are actually born more alike than different with very few differences but they are still perceived and treated systematically very different from the moment of birth on by parents and other adult care givers. They go up to the teen years.

    I once spoke with Dr.Brooks-Gunn in 1994 and I asked her how she could explain all of these great studies that show that girl and boy babies are actually born more alike with few differences but are still perceived and treated so differently anyway, and she said that’s due to socialization and she
    said there is no question, that socialization plays a very big part.

    I know that many scientists(the good responsible ones) know that the brain is plastic and can be shaped and changed by different life experiences and different life time environments.

    Also there are 2 great online rebuttals of the Mars & Venus myth by Susan Hamson called, The Rebuttal From Uranus and Out Of The Cave: Exploring Gray’s Anatomy by Kathleen Trigiani.

    Also have you read the excellent book by social psychologist Dr.Gary Wood at The University of Birmingham called, Sex Lies & Stereotypes:Challenging Views Of Women, Men & Relationships? He clearly demonstrates with all of the research studies from psychology what Dr.Mary Stewart Van Leewuen does, and he debunks The Mars & Venus myth and shows that the sexes are biologically and psychologically more alike than different and how gender roles and differences are mostly socially created and how they are very limiting and emotionally damaging to both sexes mental and physical health and don’t only allow are encourage them to become more than only a half of a person instead of a whole human person with all of our shared*human* qualities!

    Anyway, if you could write back when you have a chance I would
    really appreciate it.

    Thank You

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  9. “Feminine” and “masculine” are really *HUMAN* traits,thoughts,feelings and behaviors.

    And there is plenty of decades worth of great psychological research studies by many different psychologists that shows that the sexes are much more alike than different in most traits,abilities and behaviors with a very large overlap between them,and that most of the differences between them are really small average differences,many of which have shrunk even smaller,and they find much greater individual *people* differences! Biologically the sexes are more alike than different too! As I said comedian Elaine Boosler said in the 1980’s,I’m only a person trapped in a woman’s body.

    Feminists(such as Robin Morgan,Janice Raymond,Gloria Steinem,Germain’e Greer Sheila Jeffreys etc) who have rightfully pointed this fact out,are not afraid of transsexuals or prejudiced against them,the issue is what I said it is. The only transsexual woman who actually debunks these common sexist gender myths,and gender stereotypes is Kate Bornstein author of Gender Outlaw:On Men,Women And The Rest Of Us,Gender Outlaws,My Gender Workbook etc. She was a heterosexual man who was married and had a daughter,then had a sex change and became a lesbian woman and then decided not to idenify as a man or a woman.

    I heard Kate interviewed in 1998 on a local NPR show and she totally debunks gender myths,and rejects the “feminine” and “masculine” categories as the mostly socially constructed categories that they really are.She even said,what does it mean to feel or think like a woman(or man) she said what does that really mean.

    And as cultural anthropologist Roger Lancaster wrote in his introduction, in his very good 2003 book,The Trouble With Nature sex In Science when he’s talking about how scientists constantly search for a ”gay brain”,a ”gay gene” or ”gay intergovernmental” patterns. Roger came out as a gay man in college.

    He then says (One can hardly understate the naive literalism of present-day science on these matters: Scientists still look for the supposed anatomical attributes of the opposite sex embedded somewhere in the inverts brain or nervous system.) He then says and this notion now enjoys a second,third,and even fourth life in political discourses.He then says it is by appeal to such conceits that Aaron Hans,a Washington,D.C.- based transgender activist,reflects on his uncomfortable life as a girl:”I didn’t *think* I was a boy,I *knew* I was a boy.” He says,Hans elaborates: ”You look at pictures of me- I actually have great pictures of me in drag-and I literally look like a little boy in a dress.

    Roger then says,Far,far be it from me to cast doubt on anyone’s sense of discomfort with the ascribed gender roles.Nor would I question anyone’s sense that sexual identity is a deeply seated aspect of who they are .But testimonies of this sort and appeals to the self-evidence of perception beg the obvious question:Just what is a little boy or girl * supposed* to look like? The photograph that accompanies Han’s interview shows a somewhat robust girl.Is this to say that (real) girls are necessarily delicate and (real) boys athletic? He then says (If so,virtually all of my nieces are ”really” boys,since not a one of them is delicate or un presupposing)

    Roger then says,There is indeed something compelling about such intensely felt and oft- involved experiences-”I knew I was gay all along”; ”I felt like a girl” – but that compulsion belongs to the realm of outer culture,not nature.That is, if ”inappropriate” acts,feelings,body types,or desires seem to throw us into the bodies or minds other genders,it is because acts,feelings,and so on are associated with gender by dint of the same all-enveloping cultural logic that gives us pink blankets ( or caps,or crib cards,I.D. bracelets) for girls and blue for boys in maternity ward cribs.He then says,when we diverge one way or another from those totalizing associations,we feel-we really feel;in the depths of our being-”different”.Therein lies the basis for an existential opposition to the established order of gendered associations.

    Roger then says But therein also lies the perpetual trap: Every essentialist claim about the ”nature” of same sex desire in turn refers to and reinforces suppositions about the ”nature” of ”real” men and women (from whom the invert differs), about the ”naturalness” of their mutual attraction(demonstrated nowhere so much as in the inverts inversion),about the scope of their acts,feelings,body types,and so on( again, marked off by the deviation of the deviant). Aping the worst elements of gender/sexual conservatism,every such proposition takes culturally constituted meanings -the correlative associations of masculinity and femininity,active and passive,blue and pink- as ”natural facts”.

    Roger then says,In a twist as ironic as the winding of a double helix that goes first this way,then that,the search for gay identify gradually finds it’s closure in the normalcy of the norm as a natural law.In the end,I am not convinced of the basic suppositions here. I doubt that most men are unfamiliar with the sentiment given poetic form by Pablo Neruda:”It happens that I became tired of being a man. ”Even psychiatrists who treat ”gender dysphoria”- a slick term for rebellion against conventional gender roles -admit that at least 50% of children at some point exhibit signs of mixed or crossed gender identify or express a desire to be the ”opposite” sex. Roger has a note number to the reference in his notes section to a March 22,1994 New York Times article by Daniel Goleman called,The ‘Wrong’ Sex:A New Definition of Childhood Pain.
    Roger also says that the way the media reported the David Reimer case was very gender stereotyped and and biological deterministc.He also said that they raised him as a girl too late.

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  10. Public release date: 4-Nov-1999
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    Contact: Penny Burge or Sharon Snow
    burge@vt.edu or ssnow@vt.edu
    Virginia Tech

    20-year-old sex-role research survey still valid

    BLACKSBURG, Va. ­ In the late 1970s, Penny Burge, director of Virginia Tech’s Women’s Center, was working on her doctoral dissertation at Penn State University researching the relationship between child-rearing sex-role attitudes and social issue sex-role attitudes among parents. As part of her research, Burge designed a 28-question survey in which respondents were asked to mark how much they agreed or disagreed with statements such as: “Only females should receive affectionate hugs as rewards,” “I would buy my son a doll,” and “I would be upset if my daughter wanted to play little league baseball.”

    Hard-hitting questions, many of them. But Burge carried on. She received her degree in 1979, and in 1981 her research findings were published in the Home Economics Research Journal.

    Among her findings were that respondents who named the mother as their child’s primary caretaker held more traditional child-rearing sex-role attitudes than respondents who named both parents. In addition, those respondents who held more traditional child-rearing sex-role attitudes also held more traditional social issue sex-role attitudes, and fathers were more conventional than mothers with respect to the issue of whether or not boys and girls should be raised differently.

    “We found that parents do cling to traditional sex-role attitudes,” Burge said. “It was more pronounced with male children where pressure to achieve was more intense.”

    Over the years, Burge occasionally received requests from other researchers for permission to use her survey in their own research. Burge always granted permission, but had redirected her research focus to gender equity in education. She had moved on in her career, serving on the faculty in Virginia Tech’s College of Human Resources and Education from 1979 to 1994 when she became director of the Women’s Center.

    But a recent request from a researcher at New Mexico State University sparked her interest. The researcher, Betsy Cahill, had used Burge’s survey (with some modifications and additions) to conduct research on early childhood teachers’ attitudes toward gender roles. After the results of Cahill’s research were completed and published in The Journal of Sex Roles in 1997, some unexpected events occurred.

    The Educational Testing Service, a national resource that makes research instruments more widely available to other researchers, requested permission to use the Burge and Cahill survey tools in its upcoming Test Collection, a reference publication for future researchers. “I was honored,” Burge said. “It was nice to have another researcher include my survey instrument in her own. And the request from the Educational Testing Service gave an additional sanction to my survey. It’s amazing to me that the same type of social questions are still valid after 20 years.”

    And no one can dispute the past two decades have brought enormous social changes in the world, which leads to the second unexpected occurrence.

    Cahill found that many of the findings from Burge’s research were still very much the same. For example, teachers who espoused traditional gender role beliefs for adults also did for children. For those who were more accepting of cross-gender role behaviors and aspirations, they were more accepting of these behaviors from girls than boys.

    Enter Sharon Snow, newly hired assistant director of the Women’s Center at Virginia Tech, and the third coincidence regarding Burge’s survey tool. As part of a survey research class Snow took while working on her graduate degree at Texas Woman’s University, she cited Burge’s study in her literature review.

    “As part of the class, we conducted a survey of students to determine their attitudes about gender roles in children,” Snow said. “We found that parents do indeed drive gender-based behavior. It’s not something that just happens naturally.”

    So 20 year later, researchers find that parents still have a profound influence on their children’s gender roles.

    “The most amazing finding is that despite tremendous societal change over the past two decades, many parents still hold fast to raising their children with traditional sex-roles,” Burge said.

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  11. http://www.newsweek.com/id/214834 Pink Brain, Blue Brain

    Claims of sex differences fall apart.

    By *Sharon Begley http://www.newsweek.com/id/183003 NEWSWEEK

    Published Sep 3, 2009

    From the magazine issue dated Sep 14, 2009

    Among certain parents, it is an article of faith not only that they should treat their sons and daughters alike, but also that they do. If Jack gets Lincoln Logs and Tetris, and joins the soccer team and the math club, so does Jill. Lise Eliot, a neuroscientist at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science, doesn’t think these parents are lying, exactly. But she would like to bring some studies to their attention.

    In one, scientists dressed newborns in gender-neutral clothes and misled adults about their sex. The adults described the “boys” (actually girls) as angry or distressed more often than did adults who thought they were observing girls, and described the “girls” (actually boys) as happy and socially engaged more than adults who knew the babies were boys. Dozens of such disguised-gender experiments have shown that adults perceive baby boys and girls differently, seeing identical behavior through a gender-tinted lens. In another study, mothers estimated how steep a slope their 11-month-olds could crawl down. Moms of boys got it right to within one degree; moms of girls underestimated what their daughters could do by nine degrees, even though there are no differences in the motor skills of infant boys and girls.

    But that prejudice may cause parents to unconsciously limit their daughter’s physical activity. How we perceive children—sociable or remote, physically bold or reticent—shapes how we treat them and therefore what experiences we give them. Since life leaves footprints on the very structure and function of the brain, these various experiences produce sex differences in adult behavior and brains—the result not of innate and inborn nature but of nurture.

    For her new book, *Pink Brain, Blue Brain: How Small Differences Grow Into Troublesome Gaps—And What We Can Do About It,* Eliot immersed herself in hundreds of scientific papers (her bibliography runs 46 pages). Marching through the claims like Sherman through Georgia, she explains that assertions of innate sex differences in the brain are either “blatantly false,” “cherry-picked from single studies,” or “extrapolated from rodent research” without being confirmed in people. For instance, the idea that the band of fibers connecting the right and left brain is larger in women,supposedly supporting their more “holistic” thinking, is based on a single 1982 study of only 14 brains. Fifty other studies, taken together, found no such sex difference—not in adults, not in newborns. Other baseless claims:that women are hard-wired to read faces and tone of voice, to defuse conflict, and to form deep friendships; and that “girls’ brains are wired for communication and boys’ for aggression.” Eliot’s inescapable conclusion:there is “little solid evidence of sex differences in children’s brains.”

    Yet there are differences in adults’ brains, and here Eliot is at her most original and persuasive: explaining how they arise from tiny sex differences in infancy. For instance, baby boys are more irritable than girls.That makes parents likely to interact less with their “nonsocial” sons, which could cause the sexes’ developmental pathways to diverge. By 4 months of age, boys and girls differ in how much eye contact they make, and differences in sociability, emotional expressivity, and verbal ability—all of which depend on interactions with parents—grow throughout childhood. The message that sons are wired to be nonverbal and emotionally distant thus becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.The sexes “start out a little bit different” in fussiness, says Eliot, and parents “react differently to them,” producing the differences seen in adults.

    Those differences also arise from gender conformity. You often see the claim that toy preferences—trucks or dolls—appear so early, they must be innate.

    But as Eliot points out, 6- and 12-month-olds of both sexes prefer dolls to trucks, according to a host of studies. Children settle into sex-based play preferences only around age 1, which is when they grasp which sex they are,identify strongly with it, and conform to how they see other, usually older,boys or girls behaving.”Preschoolers are already aware of what’s acceptable to their peers and what’s not,” writes Eliot. Those play preferences then snowball, producing brains with different talents.

    The belief in blue brains and pink brains has real-world consequences, which is why Eliot goes after them with such vigor (and rigor).It encourages parents to treat children in ways that make the claims come true, denying boys and girls their full potential. “Kids rise or fall according to what we believe about them,” she notes. And the belief fuels the drive for single-sex schools, which is based in part on the false claim that boy brains and girl brains process sensory information and think differently.

    Again, Eliot takes no prisoners in eviscerating this “patently absurd”claim. Read her masterful book and you’ll never view the sex-differences debate the same way again.

    *Begley is NEWSWEEK’s science editor.*

    Find this article at http://www.newsweek.com/id/214834

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  12. In her very good important 1998 book,Why So Slow? The Advancement Of women, she says for parents who recognize and actively oppose the limitations of gender schemas matters are more complex she demonstrates clearly that many studies have shown that even parents who say they are egalitarian and who do encourage their children especially girls to consider a wide range of possible occupations and that encouragement influences the children’s aspirations.She then says but without realizing it on the other hand,they are affected by gender schemas,dressing their children in ways appropriate to their gender.

    She then says that their egalitarian beliefs prevent such parents from perceiving that they do encourage gender-specific patterns and from seeing how closely their children conform to the norm.She then says that gender schemas are powerful cultural forces and that adults cannot simply abandon them especially when they are unaware that they hold them and they too conform to them in such matters of dress.On another page she says that everyone,it appears is likely to be affected deeply and nonconsciously by their culture’s view of what it means to be male and female.Then she says that even people who consciously espouse egalitarian beliefs do not realize how profoundly they have internalized the culture’s norms and applied them to their children.

    She then says that there is wide implicit consensus across income level,education,and sex about the core features of gender schemas and for these features parents are much more alike than they are different.She then says regardless of demographic variables,most subscribe to basic gender norms ,dress gender stereotypically themselves,and unwittingly treat their children gender-stereotypically.Then she says parents who actively endorse gender schemas or are unaware of the impact of gender schemas on their perceptions and interpretations,perceive children as gendered from birth and treat them accordingly.

    She also says that studies show that even parents who deliberately try to rear their children nonstereotypically are subject to the influence of gender schemas.She says a study of six year olds for example compared children whose mothers explicitly tried to bring them up in gender-neutral ways with children whose mothers had conventional attitudes about gender roles. And that when independent observers who were unaware of the parents beliefs rated the children’s clothes as masculine or feminine the ratings showed that the boys and girls in both types of families were dressed according to gender norms.She explains that the mothers who were committed to gender equality however saw their children’s clothes as less gender-stereotypical even though they were not.

    She shows how parents perceive and treat their daughters and sons so differently from the moment they are born and she says in chapter 1 called Gender Schemas At work that gender schemas oversimplify and that masculine and feminine traits are not opposites of each other and they are not contradictory and that everyone has both to some degree and expresses different traits in different situations.She then says that differences exist, but the sexes are more alike than they are different and she says it is easy to lose sight of that reality,even though most differences between the sexes are small.

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  13. There is *no* such natural thing as ”feeling like a woman or man or a girl or boy”! I don’t feel like a woman inside even though I certainly look like a very pretty woman. Maybe I once felt that way before I became educated and enlightened about the extreme social constructions of gender.

    Maybe if someone hypnotized me and asked me when I was constantly told even by many strangers in public places, I was a strikingly beautiful baby and child,if I ”felt like a girl” inside,I might have said I don’t know what is that supposed to mean? Which is a great question with a great point. Or I might have said no,or I might have said yes because I got the same extreme gender training into ”femininity” all girls and women do.

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  14. January 2015 major study of over 100 meta analysis and of 12 million people by two male( one is Iowa State psychology professor Dr.Zlatan Krizan) and a female psychology professor found what many other psychologists over decades have found,that the sexes are more alike than different in most areas psychologically including personality.It is published in American psychologist the journal of The American psychological Association

    http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2015/01/29/genderdifferences

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  15. Dr.Anne Fausto-Sterling’s Myths of Gender:Biological Theories About Women and Men.She is a biologist and geneticist at Brown Univetsity and she thoroughly debunks these claims about testosterone levels and aggressive behavior and a whole lot of other sexist,racist claims made by both women and men scientists.

    And Delusions of Gender How Our Minds Society and Neurosexism Create Differences by Australian neuro scientist Cordelia Fine also thoroughly debunks common myths of gender http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/delusions-of-gender-cordelia-fine/1101003614?ean=9780393340242

    And also the book,Brain Storm:The Flaws in The Science of Sex Differences by Barnard professor Rebecca Jordan-Young as reviewed by Amanda Schaffer on Slate’s site Oct 21,2010 called The Last Word On Fetal T Rebecca Jordan-Young’s masterful critique of the research on the relatiopnship between testosterone and sex differtence.And she says how remarably similar women and men’s brains and minds actually are.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/10/the_last_word_on_fetal_t.single.html#

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  16. John Lennon is a great example of people can change and are not fixed to be a certain way as a man or a woman.Yoko changed John into a much better person as a pro-feminist man and the feminist changes *are* for the better,and many pro-feminist men have recognized this too! They say it has freed them and allowed them to develop and express more of all of the shared common *human* traits,emotions,behaviors,abilities and reduce and prevent male violence against women and children etc. Definitions of “masculine” and “feminine” differ across time periods,and in different societies.

    John Lennon is a great example of how feminism changing limited artificial gender definitions and roles,changed him for the much better. John as a child and teenager had a lot of traumas that permanently psychologically damaged him,but because of his and Yoko’s beautiful loving relationship,and as he said she was a feminist before he met her,(and he said that because she was a feminist before he met her,they were going to have to have a 50/50 equal relationship which he never had before) he went in to primal scream therapy and Yoko went with him and he dealt with all of his pain and anger for the very first time at age 29.

    When John was a young guy,he was often drunk getting into fist fights with men,hitting women,and womanizing including cheating on his girlfriends and then his first wife Cynthia.Of course Paul,George and Ringo did the same with all of the groupies all 4 of them had while touring from 1963-1966. I hadn’t watched these Mike Douglas shows in years until December 2010 when it was the 30th anniversary of John’s tragic crazy murder.

    Out of the 5 Mike Douglas shows that John and Yoko co-hosted for a week that was taped in January 1972 and aired in February,a young criminal lawyer Rena Uviller(she went on to become a Supreme Court Judge) who worked with juveniles, and she,Mike Douglas,John and Yoko were discussing the then very recent women’s liberation movement. George Carlin was on too.

    Rena said,she agrees with Yoko,that the idea of Women’s lib is to liberate all of us,and she said ,I mean we could talk hours on the way men really suffer under the sex role definitions.Yoko agreed with what she said too. Rena said that men don’t really realize they have only to gain from Women’s Lib,and that she thinks that maybe with a little more propaganda we can convince them.

    John then said,yeah there is a lot to gain from it,just the fact that you can relax and not have to play that male role,he said we can do that,and he said that I can be weak,( but notice how then in a male dominated gender divided,gender stereotyped,sexist society,and even unfortunately still now in a lot of ways,the “female” role was defined as the weak one,and the male role as the strong one) I don’t have to protect her all the time and play you know that super hero,I don’t have to play that,she allows me to be weak sometimes and for me to cry,and for her to be the strong one,and for me to be the weak one. John then said,and it really is a great relief,after 28 years of trying to be tough,you know trying to show them,I don’t give a da*n and I’m this and I’m that,to be able to relax.and just be able to say,OK I’m no tough guy forget it.

    Rena then said,I think in some funny way,I think girls even as children,have a greater lattitude because a little girl can be sort of frilly and feminine or she can be a tomboy and it’s acceptable,but a little boy if he’s not tossing that football,there’s a lot of pressure on him.John said,there’s a lot of pressure,not to show emotion,and he said that there was a lot of pressure on me not to be an artist,to be a chemist and he said he discussed this on another Mike Douglas episode.

    Rena said that unfortunately some of the leaders in the Women’s Liberation movement fall victim to being spokesmen,for Women’s Lib, and yet at least in public personality they seem to really have a certain amount of contempt for the hair curled housewife and there is a kind of sneering contempt,and she said I think it’s a measure of their own lack of liberation.And Yoko said it’s snobbery,and Rena said yeah,they really don’t like other women,but I’m sympathetic,and Mike Douglas then said a sexist woman-hating statement,saying,well women don’t like other women period.Rena said,no see that’s very unliberated and Yoko said, in response to what Mike Douglas said,that’s not true,that’s not true.And John said,you see they are brought up to
    compete with men.

    Yoko said that even though in Japan they say they don’t have much of a woman problem and women already had some liberation,there is still a long way to go that she really agrees with Rena that so many female liberation movement people basically hate women,and we have to first start to understand women and love them whether they are housewives or not,and she said that snobbery is very bad and we have to somehow find out a way to co-existing with men,and she asked Rena don’t you think so and she said most definitely. George Carlin said,that actually many successful women are acting out male roles just like a lot of blacks think they escaped are acting out white roles.John also said that he thinks that women have to try twice as hard as to make it as men,and he said you know they have to be on their toes much more than a man.

    On another Mike Douglas episode from the same week,former actress and acclaimed film maker Barbara Loden was on and Yoko had requested her as a guest.John asked her ,Did you have any problems working with the men,you know like giving them instructions and things like that and Barbara said,I did, but I think it was because I was afraid that they would not accept what I said,and I wasn’t quite that authoritative in my own self.John said it’s certainly a brave thing to do,and Yoko said it is.

    Mike Douglas asked Yoko if John’s attitude had changed much towards her since The Female Liberation Movement,and at first Yoko says John’s attitude from the beginning was the same,and that they met on that level.John then says,twice, I was a male chauvinist and Yoko says,yes he was a male chauvinist but,and then John says,Can I say how you taught me,and Yoko says yes.John says,How I did it in my head was,would I ask Paul or George,or would I treat them the way I would treat a woman? John then said,it’s a very simple thing maybe it’s fetch that or do that ,and I started thinking if I said that to them,they’d say come on get it yourself,and if you put your wife or your girl friend in the position of your best friend,and say now would I say that to him,then you know when you’re treading on some delicate feelings.

    Mike Douglas said years later that after this week of John and Yoko co-hosting his show,many young people who had never watched his show before,(and his main audience was middle America and people older than their 20’s and even mostly their 30’s) told him they loved the show,and that it was great and his ratings went up high for those shows.Even if John didn’t always live up to his feminist ideals and beliefs in his personal life,(although he did with Yoko because of her and this why and how he emotionally evolved into a caring,nurturing,house husband and father to Yoko and Sean),just the fact that he spoke out as a man in support of the feminist movement on a popular TV show back in early 1972 when most of the sexist male dominated woman-hating society looked down at it and considered it crazy which in some ways it’s still unfortunately wrongly misunderstood(and it’s really the male dominated,sexist,woman-hating society that has always been so wrong and crazy!),and the fact that John was (and still is) greatly admired and influential to many young people male and female,he did *a lot* to legitimize it and show it was rational,reasonable,needed and right!

    A few months later he was performing Woman Is The Ni**er Of The World on The Dick Cavett Show and then months after that live in Madison Square Garden.In his very last radio interview done by Dave Sholin etc from RKO Radio just hours before he was tragically shot and killed, John said I’m more feminist now than I was when I sang Woman Is The N**ger,I was intellectually feminist then but now I feel as though at least I’ve put not my own money,but my body where my mouth is and I’m living up to my own preachings as it were. He also said what is this BS men are this way, women are that way,we’re all human.

    Even if John didn’t always live up to his feminist ideals and beliefs in his personal life,(although he did with Yoko because of her and this why and how he emotionally evolved into a caring,nurturing,house husband and father to Yoko and Sean),just the fact that he spoke out as a man in support of the feminist movement on a popular TV show back in early 1972 when most of the sexist male dominated woman-hating society looked down at it and considered it crazy which in some ways it’s still unfortunately wrongly misunderstood(and it’s really the male dominated,sexist,woman-hating society that has always been so wrong and crazy!),and the fact that John was (and still is) greatly admired and influential to many young people male and female,he did *a lot* to legitimize it and show it was rational,reasonable,needed and right!

    A few months later he was performing Woman Is The Ni**er Of The World on The Dick Cavett Show and then months after that live in Madison Square Garden.In his very last radio interview done by Dave Sholin etc from RKO Radio just hours before he was tragically shot and killed, John said I’m more feminist now than I was when I sang Woman Is The N**ger,I was intellectually feminist then but now I feel as though at least I’ve put not my own money,but my body where my mouth is and I’m living up to my own preachings as it were.

    He also said what is this BS men are this way, women are that way,we’re all human.He had also said that he comes from the macho school of pretense of course *all* men really are they are just too conditioned all of their lives to realize and admit it.And he said that men are trained to be like they are in the army,and that it’s more like that in England but he knows it’s this way over here too,he said that they are taught as boys and men don’t react,don’t feel,don’t cry,and he said he thinks that’s what screwed us all up and that he thinks it’s time for a change.

    In his September 1980 Newsweek interview the interviewer said to John aren’t you the guy who said in 1963 that women should be obscene and not heard,and John said yes and I’m thankful to Yoko for the feminist education.

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  17. Mike Douglas also said to John and Yoko,You’re both so different,you had such different childhoods. John said,it’s incredible isn’t it? Yoko said,Yes! Mike asked,What do you think has attracted you to each other? Yoko said,We’re very similar.John then said,She came from a Japanese upper-middle class family.Her parents were bankers and all that jazz,very straight.He said they were trying to get her off with an ambassador when she was 18.You know,now is the time you marry the ambassador and we get all settled. I come from a an upper-working class family in Liverpool,the other end of the world. John then said,we met but our minds are so similar,our ideas are so similar.It was incredible that we could be so alike from different enviornments,and I don’t know what it is,but we’re very similar in our heads.And we look alike too!

    Mike also asked John about his painful childhood,and how his father left him when he was 5,and John said how he only came back into his life when he was successful and famous(20 years later!),and John said he knew that I was living all those years in the same house with my auntie,but he never visited him.He said when he came back into his life all those years later,he looked after his father for the same amount of time he looked after him,about 4 years.

    He also talked about how his beloved mother Julia,who encouraged his music by teaching him to play the banjo,got hit and killed by a car driven by an off duty drunk cop when John was only 17 and just getting to have a realtionship with her after she had given him away to be raised by her older sister Mimi when he was 5.

    And John also said,And in spite of all that,I still don’t have a hate-the-pigs attitude or hate-cops attitude.He then said, I think everybody’s human you know,but it was very hard for me at that time,and I really had a chip on my shoulder,and it still comes out now and then,because it’s a strange life to lead .He then said,But in general ah,I’ve got my own family now …I got Yoko and she made up for all that pain.

    John’s psychologist Dr. Arthur Janov told Mojo Magazine in 2000( parts of this interview is on a great UK John Lennon fan site,You Are The Plastic Ono Band) that John had as much pain as he had ever seen in his life,and he was a psychologist for at least 18 years when John and Yoko saw him in 1970! He said John was a very dedicated patient. He also said that John left therapy too early though and that they opened him up,but didn’t get a chance to put him back together again and Dr. Janov told John he need to finish the therapy,he said because of the immigration services and he thought Nixon was after him,he said we have to get out of the country.John asked if he could send a therapist to Mexico with him,and Dr. Janov told him we can’t do that because they had too many patients to take care of,and he said they cut the therapy off just as it started really,and we were just getting going.

    Also this great article by long time anti-sexist,anti-men’s violence,anti-pornography former all star high scholl player Jackson Katz.John Lennon on Fatherfood,Feminism,and Phony Tough Guy Posturing
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-katz/john-lennon-on-fatherhood_b_800333.html

    Also Cynthia Lennon is quoted in the great John Lennon biography Lennon,by award winning music journalist and former editor of The Melody Maker Magazine and good friend of John’s for 18 years,Ray Coleman as saying somethings like she knew as soon as she saw John and Yoko together she knew that she lost him,and that it was a meeting of the minds and that she knew that they were right for each other.She also said that she told John before he started his relationship with Yoko that she sees and incedible similarity between him and Yoko and said to him that there is something about her that is just like you.She told him that he may say that she’s this crazy woman etc and that he’s not interested in her,but that she can see more into John’s future with Yoko then he can.

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  18. THE SECOND GREAT REVIEW HERE UNDER THE FIRST IS GENDER HURTS:A FEMINIST ANALYISIS OF TRANSGENDERISM BY SHEILA JEFFREYS

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    The Giving Tree
    by Shel Silverstein
    Edition: Hardcover
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    3 of 5 people found the following review helpful

    The Giving Tree Is The Worst “Childrens Book” Ever!, June 27, 2015
    This review is from: The Giving Tree (Hardcover)

    The giving tree is the worst “children’s book” ever written. My mother read this book to me when i was small & i found it very upsetting indeed. As the boy is a self entitled scumbag who takes, takes, takes & mutilates & murders the tree, who was only ever loving to him. My mother (who like most women only ever gave to my father without any real reciprocation) could not understand why i was so upset by this book, as she saw the tree as expressing “real love” for the boy & could not see the boys selfishness, contempt & abuse and therein lies the true purpose of this book.

    As an adult i can clearly see what this book is about. It is obviously written to teach girls (the tree is described as female) to be submissive & know their place & that they should be happy to be to be abused, used & even tortured & killed by boys/men. And to teach boys (the boy is the other protagonist in the story) to be self entitled, abusive & sadistic to girls/women. It is clearly a misogynistic book meant to teach girls that being a submissive, self sacrificing masochist is what real “love” is. And boys that they are entitled to to treat females with utter contempt & to just use them for their own sick selfish pleasure & that girls/women are actually “happy” to be treated in this way.

    In todays climate with most young boys watching porn on the Internet by the age of 11 and then wanting to reenact the degrading, debasing acts that he sees with his girlfriends & then manipulating them into preforming those acts with him under the pretext of “if you loved me you would do it”. With only a care for his own wants & absolutely no empathy for the girl or the loss of dignity, pain or humiliation she may feel.

    And with teenage girls reading books & watching films like 50 shades of grey ect as these sorts of S&M relationships are being held up as ideal nowadays. It seems the books premise is still being taught (only in a more overt sexual way). It seems we are very much moving back to a society that resembles the misogynistic early/mid 60’s society when this book was written. So perhaps it is no surprise that this book gets such positive reviews still, indeed perhaps its even more popular now.

    It is impossible (for an adult with her/his eyes open to realities of the world) to not see the parallels between the boys sadism, exploitation & abuse of the female tree. And boys/mens sadism, exploitation & abuse of girls/women in real life. The same goes for the tree, it’s impossible to not see the parallels of the trees masochistic, submissive, warped sense of self sacrificing “love” with girls/womens (socially conditioned) masochism, submission, & self sacrificing “love”. Do we really want to condition these things in our children even younger than is already being taught to them in this society? As that is exactly what you would be doing by reading this to your child.
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    Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism
    by Sheila Jeffreys
    Edition: Paperback
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    10 of 10 people found the following review helpful

    An Oasis In A Desert Of Pro “Trans” Propaganda, June 25, 2015

    This review is from: Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism (Paperback)
    Gender hurts is a great book by Sheila Jeffreys examining the “transgender” craze that is sweeping the western world at present & how this is affecting women, including the wives of married men who decide to “transition” to “transwomen” after decades of marriage who have a sexual fetish called autogynephilia (sexual arousal at the thought of themselves as women) & the impact this has on these mens wives & children. It also looks at the women partners of lesbian women who decide to “transition” to “transmen”. It examines the eugenics program that is behind the “transitioning” of children who the establishment worries will grow up to be gay, they are in effect being sterilised.

    It also examines the impact of men with a sexual fetish being deemed legally women & suddenly being allowed into what was previously women only spaces & the impact this has on women. One man even said how he was sexually aroused attending a womens knitting group. These autogynephilic men who “transition” to “transwomen” led a hate campaign against the sexologist J Michael Bailey who wrote a book called “the man who would be queen” in 2003, as he was the first to write about the two types of men who “trans” the gay ones & the heterosexual men with “fetishistic transvestism”. These men did not like being exposed as having a sexual fetish & so sent him death threats & harassed his children, ex wife, his family & friends. (These same autogynephiliac men also targeted Janice Raymond who wrote “the transexual empire” in 1980). This same group of men also tried to get the publishers of this book to revoke their decision to publish it. Sheila Jeffreys herself has been threatened & harassed by “trans activists” to such a degree that she was advised to take her name off her office door at the university at which she worked at, as there were fears for her safety. As can be seen here by the bombardment of negative reviews by these very same “transwomen” (who haven’t even read the book) this is what they do, they are completely unhinged. It is listed in the DSM V for the description of “gender dysphoria” (you have to have a diagnosis of GD to be able to “trans” legally) that the older men who receive a diagnosis of GD who have autogynephilia also have concurrent “personality disorders”.

    There is two groups of men who can be diagnosed as having “gender dysphoria” (and therefore are aloud to “transition”) according to DSM V’s own description:

    1. Gay teens/ young men.
    2. Older heterosexual men (who are usually married often with children) who have “habitual fetishistic transvestism developing into autogynephillia”.

    The “transgender” craze is the latest attempt by the medical establishment to “cure” gays & lesbians of their homosexuality by making them into the opposite sex, this can be seen very clearly in their targeting of children who by the DSM V’s own admission will grow up to be gay & lesbian if left to just grow up without any medical intervention.

    A number of gay teens/ young men & lesbian teens/ young women who “trans” have also been sexually abused as children the book touches on this issue also. Since the DSM V says one of the additional features for supporting a diagnosis of GD is: “older adolescents when sexuality active, usually do not show or allow their partners to touch their sexual organs. For adults with an aversion towards their genitals, sexual activity is constrained by the preference that their genitals not be seen or touched by their partner.” It is perhaps not surprising that many young ppl who get a diagnosis of GD & then “trans” have been abused given this is one of the “features for supporting a diagnosis of GD”.

    This “transgender” craze is also a reaction to the gains women made in the 70’s, it is trying to get sex roles to be thought of as being innate just as they were thought of before the women’s movement of the 70’s exploded that myth. We are now living in a extremely reactionary time where the male establishment is trying to push women back into their sex roles, “trans” is a large part of that backlash. The medical establishment is leading the cause with its “brain sex” neurosexist junk science that is the foundation “transgenderism” is based on.

    This book is a much needed oasis in a desert full of pro “trans” anti woman propaganda. Womens voices have been effectively silenced by the male autogynephilic “trans” who run the “trans activist” organisations & scream “transphobia” at anyone who speaks out against it. I & many other women cant thank Sheila enough for writing this book.
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    Love & Politics
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    1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
    Great album for women (especially lesbian women), November 11, 2014
    This review is from: Love & Politics (Audio CD)
    This is a beautiful album for women by the wonderful Alix Dobkin, it is the first time i’ve heard these songs as I unfortunately wasn’t born when the women’s movement was in full swing in the 1970’s early 1980’s when many of these songs were written. Alix is a pioneer of women’s folk music in the Radical Feminist movement and a lesbian. Her music is an absolute pleasure to listen to and a great inspiration to women & girls looking for REAL lesbian feminist women’s music and not the porn emulating malestream/queer theory music that passes for “women’s music” in recent years (think t.A.T.u. Or even lady gaga, they might sound catchy, but there is a male agenda at the heart of those malestream artists works, which alix doesn’t have). Alix has held steadfastly in her devotion to womens & lesbians rights all these years & has not capitulated to the male patriarchal agenda (think queer theory, neoliberalism, fun “feminism” ect). She is a strong woman with a beautiful spirit that just shines through from these recordings. ABC Amazon, lesbian code & Just Like A Woman are lovely quirky songs that are extremely clever. A woman’s love, the woman in your life, shinin’ thru’ and intimacy are deeply moving songs, that can bring a tear to your eye with their emotional sincerity and unyielding honesty. These are songs by a strong courageous lesbian woman who clearly is devoted to women, I find them such a breath of fresh air in these dark times when women are losing all the the gains that were made by these very women in the 1970’s & 1980’s (loss of women only space, straight males putting dresses on saying they are lesbians and demanding access to women, lesbian butch girls/women & “tom boys” being brainwashed into thinking they are really “men trapped in women’s bodies” the list goes on & on). It is because of a lack visibility of women like Alix in the malestream, women who exhibit a strong proud lesbian woman identified politics that we have entered this dark age. A new McCarthy era where women who speak out about a woman’s right to be a strong proud lesbian woman and not have to be around males every second of everyday are met with accusations of “transphobia” or this or that “phobia” or they are no platformed from speaking at public advents, this is the same as what happened in the U.S. during the McCarthy era with communists. It is a bleak time to live, but by listening to music by women like Alix and reading Real radical lesbian feminist literature, we can teach young lesbians that it is possible to be a strong lesbian woman without the need to identify with males. Well done to Amazon for making this album available to the public, it is a great start. I only wish we could also have the option of downloading Ode To A Gym Teacher by Meg Christian. Keep strong & keep fighting patriarchy my sisters. X
    Good books to read about Real radical feminism: Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism by Mary Daly,
    Unpacking Queer Politics: A Lesbian Feminist Perspective,
    Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism,
    & Beauty and Misogyny: Harmful Cultural Practices in the West (all) by Sheila Jefferys

    Also Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference by Cordelia Fine is great.
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    Kate: The Woman Who Was Hepburn
    by William J. Mann
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    8 of 13 people found the following review helpful
    A Gay Woman’s View!, March 3, 2008
    This review is from: Kate: The Woman Who Was Hepburn (Paperback)
    This book is better than most previous books on Katharine Hepburn as it does reveal more about her, than they have. Her relationship with Spencer and her affairs with women ect.

    However the most annoying thing about this book is the author’s view that Kate is “transgender” he constantly tries to push this view. Instead of just presenting the facts and leaving it up to the reader make their own mind up, there is too much amateur psychology.

    He is great at writing about gay men, he clearly knows that subject, but seems to have a very poor understanding of gay women.

    He seems to think only men can really be gay (if you have read his other book “Behind the Screen: How Gays and Lesbians Shaped Hollywood, 1910-1969” you’ll know what I mean, he even calls Lilyan Tashman in to question, who is widely known to have been a lesbian). He believes every man is but doubts every woman. If you’ve read the interview he gave to advocate magazine you’ll see what I mean, he says Spence is gay, but questions Kate just as he does in his previous book. Every man is, every woman isn’t, there is something very odd or chauvinistic about this view.

    Whilst she (Kate) may have or may not have slept with a bloke or two (most lesbians have) that doesn’t necessarily mean she is bisexual. Gay women are generally more discrete than gay men anyway.

    He seems to think that lesbian women don’t have sex drives either and just sit down and talk of a night, even though later on in the book he says about how Kate asked Scotty (a friend of Cukors who is a male prostitute and a sort of male madam) to find her a “friend to go hiking”, did he really think she just wanted to go “hiking” with this friend. It’s just not consistent with his view that she wasn’t really interested in sex, but just liked women as friends, same goes for the odd masseuse thing.

    Also He seems to think that if women wear trousers, or are not typically “feminine” they are “transgender”.

    Many gay women as young girls dress up in “boys” clothes and do role play of a sort. I personally know many people who have done so, I myself have, and it doesn’t make us “transgender”.

    Also many gay women dress in shirt and tie, it was more common in 20’s – 50’s (they’re called butch). Look at Marlene Dietrich who used to sign photos of herself in top hat n tails as “Daddy Marlene” and other famous women who also dressed in this way are Vita Sackville West and Mercedes De Acosta.

    I think it very curious that men (even a gay man like Mann) and straight women like Karen Swenson (in her biography of Garbo) like to think butch women are just transvestites or transgender, but not really actually gay.’

    At that time in history women were very much 2nd class citizens and so to escape many of the restrictions on girls at the time; of course a young girl who wants to be treated equally with her male siblings would try and claim to be a boy. After all most parents (particularly fathers, especially of that generation, say they prefer a boy child to a girl, just ask most expectant parents today, it hasn’t changed much.)

    So if she pretended to be a boy it doesn’t necessarily make her “transgender”, this seems to be difficult for most people to understand, maybe you

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    • My ability to climb far exceeded my brothers. This gave me a boost of confidence that stayed on. You do what you can to survive in a world designed to accommodate males as the ‘default human’. I have many predominant memories of being directed by adults to behave more subservient than active and knowledgeable. Many of my pursuits and enthusiastic goals were met with negativity rather than praise. My brother bringing up a similar idea was praised and encouraged a few months later. Boys were definitely favored in my family. Boys were brought up to see they had a bright future, and my future was not discussed. If we were two boys, that treatment would be considered abusive and neglectful. There were moments I was made to feel ashamed to be a female.

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