Stereotype-based fears over the effects of HRT

Trans activists say that becoming trans is not based on stereotypes, yet previous posts have shown time and time again that gender stereotypes are a motive for transitioning, e.g. a male thinking he must really be a female because he did not like to play sports as a child. What role do stereotypes play in transitioning itself?

Many transgender people believe that a MtF’s brain is meant to “run on estrogen”:

A few months later, I’d begun to experience the physical and mental impact of the hormones, and with it a new sense of clarity, peace and happiness. The chronic aches in my joints and pains in my stomach that had been a staple of my life since puberty dissipated. My mind and body began repairing themselves. It’s as though my brain was meant to run on estrogen my whole life.

Other transgender people claim their brains are  meant to be like female brains. What do they mean by having a female brain? The concerns that they raise about what neurological and psychological changes they will experience after taking hormone replacement therapy is revealing as to what they think women’s brains are like.

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This Reddit user believes that sexual reassignment surgery lead to becoming a worse driver and wonders if HRT and SRS damage driving skills. Poor driving skill is a commonly held negative stereotype about women.

Women are stereotyped as being worse than men at logic, reasoning, and scientific skills. It’s  not  unusual to find comments  from Reddit users afraid that taking female hormones, i.e. becoming more “like a woman” will lead to the deterioration of these skills, or to find those who feel those skills have indeed changed:

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This user is concerned over the potential loss of logic and physics capabilities
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Some feel their skills have already changed due to hormones. This user believes they have become worse at physics and gained increased verbal skills
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This user is concerned over losing interest in science or losing a sense of “righteous fury over the injustice in the world.”

Males dominate the business world (and thus are stereotyped as better at business), and we see concerns that HRT will damage one’s business skills or make them poorer at managing money:

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Concern over losing business skills
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Concern that HRT affects the ability to manage money

Then there are downright bizarre concerns over the effects of HRT, such as worrying it will change one’s sense of humor:

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A reply to this user explained that their personality did change on HRT- they became less interested in talking about ideas, became more easy to manipulate, and became more empathetic:

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Sounds an awful lot like stereotypes of a vapid woman…

These concerns are both bizarre and insulting to women. But the concerns they hold are revealing about what they believe women are like, which in turn is revealing about their understanding of gender and motives for transition.

Non-conformity to gender roles as “red flags”

This blog talks about gender stereotypes as motive for transitioning all the time, so much so that’s there’s a tag for it. Anyone critical of transgender ideology has noticed it, even though trans people often try to deny it:

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it is not a case of gender roles causing transition
its-not-about-stereotypes-gosh
It’s not about fitting gender stereotypes and transitioning because of that!
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Nobody transitions so that they can dress a certain way

In other words, trans people claim that being transgender has nothing to do with gender roles and stererotypes about clothes and hairstyles.

Why is it then, that on their own forums, when talking among themselves, trans people readily admit that it IS about gender roles?

What were your childhood red flags? asks a poster on a transgender forum on reddit. This person’s “red flags” include:

Around age 4 there were moments that i actually thought that I’m a girl. Also sometimes thought that I will grow to be a girl

I hated boyish sports, screaming, muscles, demonstrating strength and seeking dominance. However, I really tried to suppress my nature and fit in, for ex. by going to the gym. I always hated that i had to act manly to be treated seriously as an AMAB person.

 

Note that it’s developentally normal to not understand that sex is permanent at age 4. And not enjoying masculine sports means you’re a girl?

Some comments:

wanted sleepovers and loved girly tv shows

Wanting sleepovers and watching “girly” TV shows are red flags that a male child is actually a girl, apparently.

wanting girl toys

Liking girl characters on TV shows, wanting to wear brigthly colored clothes, and wanting to play with “girl toys” are similarly “red flags” that means a male child is transgender. Take note, parents of boys: it could be your child!

hated clipping my nails

But watch out, a hatred of girly things can also mean a male child is really a girl! Also, hating having your nails clipped. Most babies are probably actually girls then.

butt

Putting things inside your bumhole is another red flag that you’re actually a girl, according to the comment above.

no sporsts

And yet again, not liking sports.

sex symbol

Not treating women like objects is actually a red flag that you yourself are a woman, Because surely no man would feel that way? And not least, preferring your hair long. No man ever preferred long hair.

makeup and ballett

Enjoying wearing makeup and taking ballet, also red flags you’re actually a girl.

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Admiring female cartoon characters = girl. It’s literally impossible to admire characters of the opposite sex, you know?

hair and clothes

Being curious about the differences betwen boys and girls, wanting long hair, wanting to be cute, and liking “girls’ clothing” = GIRL.

anal play

And once again – putting stuff up your anus for pleasure means you’re actually a girl.

But there’s something more sinister here, as ridiculous as it seems to see grown men talk about how putting fingers up their bums made them realize they were girls. These comments are taken from ONE POST on ONE FORUM for transgender people. There are posts like these every single day – too many for this blog to cover. What happens to impressionable kids and teens who curiously read these posts over and over? Slowly internalizing the idea that liking long hair, liking makeup, having female friends, liking ballett, are “red flags” that means they are actually transgender? When these same kids turn up to these forums, they are often given the advice that they should hurry up and transition. They tell them how to obtain hormones illegally and hide them from their parents. This is a public health crisis unfolding before our eyes. It’s a narrowing of gender roles, not a diminishing of gender roles.

“I feel higly emotional like a female”

Over and over again, transpeople assure anyone who asks that of course being transgender has nothing to do with stereotypes. Gosh, it’s not about clothes or makeup or mannerism, they say.

Then in their own forums, they turn right around and contradict this tale.

And they keep doing it. In fact, there is so much material only on reddit that this blog doesn’t have time to cover it all. Here are a few gems from a post in a large forum for transpeople:

In Retrospect, What Was The Most Obvious Sign You Were Trans? (Lighthearted/Funny):

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Using a towel as a skirt
enjoying makeup
Enjoying makeup
hormonal and emotional
Being emotional
enjoying dance
Enjoying dance
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Wanting pretty shoes and clothes
liking stuffed animals
Being super into stuffed animals
not liking gender norms for clothes
Not liking gender norms for clothes
liking long hair
Liking long hair
playing pretend as a small child
Playing pretend as a young child
playing with princesses
Playing “pretty princess”
skipping
I’d constantly skip everywhere
i knew i was a girl mentally
I knew I was a girl mentally

This was just a few of the comments in a single reddit post. How many of these must we post before the trans community admits that stereotypes of what women and men are play a role in the increase of people transitioning?

“Shallow creepy fetishist of vaginae”

We have seen before on this blog that many transgender activists think lesbians should have sex with penises because the owner of the penis feels like a woman inside. It’s a girl’s dick, after all! People should think about their sexuality really deeply, so that they can realize that they want to have sex with penises after all!

When the topic comes up online, even the most extreme transactivists reassure us that it’s okay to not be attracted to certain genitals. But you should make absolutely sure by trying anyway!

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refusing to date women with penises is transphobic unless you’re done it and decided it’s not for you

(from this thread on reddit)

You are also not allowed to refuse someone sex because they are transgender.

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“it’s also transphobic to say you wouldn’t date someone because they used to have genitalia you don’t prefer”

It’s also wrong to not want penises, because you can have sex in other ways than penis in vagina!

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“what a lot of people neglect to relize, is there are a lot of other ways of having sex than just PIV”

If you absolutely don’t want penis then okay I guess, but you should think about why and analyze why you don’t like penises!

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“Is it really because you prefer vaginas and really hate dicks?”

Not even if you have a “literal phobia” of penises are you excused from being obligated to sleep with dicks:

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having a literal phobia of dicks is still tranphobic

In fact, there should not even be a word for “lesbian”, because the entire concept is so problematic, according to transactivists:

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Being interested only in people with vulvas is highy problematic

People who are only into people with vulvas? Let’s call them “shallow creepy fetishist of vaginae”.

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Liking people with vulvas? Shallow! Creepy! Fetishistic!

In fact, calling people who prefer female bodies fetishistic has become very popular.

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Being a lesbian is just like having a foot fetish
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If you aren’t attracted to male people, you are s PUSSY FETISHIST
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Vagina Worshipers or Dick Haters

(post was later removed, link here)

There is so much of this it’s impossible to cover it all. We’ll be back with more!

 

Wearing the most comfortable sandals ever – more stereotypes about men and women

Trans people online are quick to assure us that being transgender has nothing to do with stereotypes, with clothes or hairstyles.

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it is not a case of gender roles causing transition
its-not-about-stereotypes-gosh
It’s not about fitting gender stereotypes and transitioning because of that!
nothing-to-do-with-feminine-or-masculine
Nobody transitions so that they can dress a certain way

So being transgender is not anything to do with stereotypes about clothes and hairstyles, and nobody thinks they are transgender or transition because of hairstyles and clothes.

Except for when putting on a dress and some makeup is a way of diagnosing someone with a “female brain”:

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If you feel right, seek out a gender therapist for confirmation

And except when you feel like the most exciting part of transitioning to a woman is all the shoes you can now wear!

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the thought of buying all the shoes I always wanted makes me feel through the roof

And except when going clothes shopping is the most exciting part of transition!

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shopping for clothes

Or when you’re finally able to get the haircut you want:

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Or, if you’re transitioning from female to male, having clothing with pockets and comfortable sandals!

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wearing the most comfortable sandals

It is well known that women can’t ever wear clothing with pockets, or comfortable sandals, so it’s good people can undergo medical treatments and surgeries so that they can wear these things. Wait, what?

 

 

 

The words Asktransgender commenters don’t want teens to see

Several times on this blog, we have seen how young teenagers who are confused about their identities get advice from adults on places like reddit.

Often they get advice that is very inappropriate, like advice on how to obtain prescription medications illegally, or advice on how to hide said medications from parents. They are urged to do this as soon as possible. It can take only weeks for a teen to go from confused about their identity to feeling like they absolutely need these hormones. Sometimes adults suggest completely inappropriate courses of action like in this post where a 42 year old offers a teen to come to his house and get “shots”.

Today we are going to take a brief look at what kind of advice is not allowed on online transgender forums. A 14 year old posts in AskTransgender, asking “Is this real?

Hey guys, So, currently I identify as MtF. However, I keep thinking that I may not actually be, or that I am exaggerating, or that I simply want to be, so to not be “common”, or to be special/unique. I know it sounds silly, but I have OCPD, so these thoughts are constant 24/7, and I get very worried that I may not be trans. When I see a pretty girl, I wish I could look like her, not just be with her, and ever since I was a kid, I would often play online as a girl, and would Identify well with the character (not sure if relevant). It is getting annoying. I am 14 years old, and I don’t think I can get to a gender therapist soon. I don’t know what to do or think, as I have exaggerated “symptoms” before, and I also think I am a hypocondriac (not saying trans is an illness) which has lead me to believe I am gravely sick before, even though I am not, and I worry that this is what my mind is doing to me, any help?

There is a removed comment:

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Deleted comment with replies

What did the deleted comment say? Must have been pretty bad, judging by the aggressive reactions, right? Luckily, since one of the replies mentions the username who made the deleted comment, it’s possible to find out. Clicking on the username of “pyre105” reveals the following comment:

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“Allow yourself to grow up as who you are”

So that was the comment, downvoted by other posters to -1, and then deleted. “Allow yourself to grow up as you are, away from labels and expectations. There’s really minimal difference between boys and girls in terms of personality, behavior, things we like, etc. Identifying with a girl character doesn’t make you a girl.”

These words  were so offensive that the  other commenters tell the author to “get the HELL away”, and that what they are doing is harmful, and then the comment is deleted. These are the words the posters on AskTransgender do not want 14 year old kids to read.

Meanwhile, comments urging them to obtain medications illegally, hide them from their parents, and go to the houses of 42 year old men, are not deleted. Food for thought for parents whose children are questioning their identities. Be extremely skeptical of the advice they are getting online.

Questioning teens and social contagion

Young people who for some reason feel dissatisfied with their sex often go to reddit’s various transgender communities to ask for advice.

A 14 year old kid asks for advice on two different subreddits about how to talk to family members about gender issues and about medications like estrogen.

On one of the posts, an adult invites the 14 year old to take contact privately.

adult aksing minors to PM him

In the other post, concrete advice about how to obtain prescription medication illegally is given, complete with dosages:

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Or how about this 13 year old, who writes:

Hello all, I’m thirteen today (yay!), and I’m kinda confused about my gender.

For my entire life, I’ve been happy with being a guy. I knew I didn’t fit in with other boys however, and surrounded myself with girls as my friends. I’m rather feminine, you can blame my sisters for that.

So, just turned 13, and is feminine boy.

About a year ago, thoughts passed through my head such as “if only I was a girl”. These thoughts were rare and I pushed them aside, not thinking anything of them. Roughly six months ago, I joined an online forum. I noticed that more than a few people were transgender. I knew what the term was before this, but, again, I didn’t think anything of it.

This story sounds familiar to anyone who’s been paying attention to the stories many newly trans teenagers post online. An intense period of bingeing on social media accounts of being trans leading to the teen suddenly identifying as trans themselves.

Two months ago, I started thinking about this. What if I was female? I liked the idea of it. I changed my gender on a few sites to female. One month ago, I started really reading up on it. I was a bit obsessed for one night, then I stopped thinking about it. Because I stopped thinking about it, I dismissed it again. Even though I thought I stopped thinking about it, three weeks ago I came out to my boyfriend, and then one week ago, my sister. They both took it very well. Last night, I was thinking and reading up on this like crazy, I was obsessed. I saw that most people realised at a young age, and so I thought I must be doing this for attention, or forcing myself to think this, or it might just be a phase which will go away.

What is the consensus in asktransgender?

you're transgender
You’re transgender.
if you think it then you are it
If you think, “I want to be a girl” at all then you are probably trans

Or this 14 year old, who asks for advice about feeling like a trans boy

I apologize in advance but I am desperate for insight and am feeling hopeless!! I’ve been considering if I’m a trans boy for the past two months (thinking about gender for almost a year) I am 14 and hopefully any of you can help.

It all started with my best friend and I talking about our characters (we dream of writing a series one day together haha) and I proposed if one of my characters was transgender and while exploring the character it was as if they way i saw them changed, that they were happier in the end and it was as if I was supposed to create them as a trans character to begin with (it’s strange and probably hard to understand)

After this I became uneasy, like something had shifted and when I asked my friends about my feelings they said maybe physiologically I identified as that character and was actually trans myself. This at first seemed unreal but also made sense in a away.

I have a obsessive personality and continued to research the hell out of the Internet, watched hours of youtube videos and began looking back at my self as I grew up. It seemed I was okay with being a girl as a child nothing really struck me as typical trans story of knowing at a young age(not trying to invalidate other people’s transitions whatsoever) but as a child I often enjoyed portraying the boys in pretend, years even. When I started puberty I became very insecure about my body (breasts and starting my period) I was always humiliated when people brought things even if it was my mom and it was just us. It seems I tolerate being a girl but I know I’m something other than that. Now more than ever I think about my gender for hours at a time, during school, while bathing and before I go to bed. I seem to be more comfy able with male clothes. 

It’s again a similar story. Being obsessed with transition videos on YouTube. Feeling uncomfortable during puberty. Feeling more comfortable in “male” clothes.

Not a single person who replies to this child mentions that most of the experiences being described are 100% normal and common. Which young woman has not felt embarrassed about getting breasts and a period? Nobody tells this child that which clothes you wear don’t make you a man or a woman.

The poster goes on to post again a month later, still confused:

Need some insight. I’ve been wondering about my gender for a year questioning If I’m trans for 3 months and have been in gender limbo since. I’m a indecisive, awkward and sensitive person which I believe relates to the fact I can’t make a decision on who I am. I believe being on t would make me happy but I’m terrified of loosing hair and being overly hairy, im uncomfortable with my chest and hips as well. Im not very masuline but neither am i feminine, it’s hard for me to imagine myself as a woman in the future but a man just seems like a far off dream. I can’t seem to imagine myself with anyone or having children and I believe that may relate to my gender issues. I feel like a fake and a phony and am terrified of realizing this is a phase. I’m only 14 but I’ve been obsessively researched everything (hours and hours, while in bed, sitting in bath, during class) and am in this exhausting gray area where everything is awful and just ‘exploring’ my identity isn’t an option. Am I maybe in denial or just confused ? (I understand people can’t tell me exactly who I am but still) Please any advice would be lovely.

And of course, gets this answer:

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You’re textbook Trans

It turns out that this poster has no less than three friends who have also recently come to identify as transgender:

three friends

Teenagers have always been struggling to fit in, to figure out who they are, to label themselves. But it’s not until now that discovering your true self involves taking hormones and getting surgery. And it’s not until now that questioning whether it is wise for teens to be getting medication advice online is bigoted.